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<blockquote data-quote="Stiff" data-source="post: 16139" data-attributes="member: 297"><p>wow... DEEP</p><p></p><p>if I say no will you explain what you mean by this and how it pertains to the show? <img src="/forum/data/assets/smilies/erm.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>[SPOILER="(You)"]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>You know, plenty of people just don't like Evangelion. They'll watch it and say certain scenes and frames look nice but they don't really "get it", and move on.</p><p></p><p>This person you're conjuring who really likes it but then decides it's bad later because it doesn't have enough western literary tropes... this is like something a youtuber would do. It's reminiscent of the Harry Potter fan who revises their whole outlook on some beloved childhood media because it's circumstantially "problematic", and the work itself is now incomplete unless presented in tandem with this superficial analysis that has reached back in time and fused with it.</p><p></p><p>This is someone who believes that the critical viewing changes the nature of the content, and is more legitimate than the casual one. I'm not saying Evangelion is secretly bad, and I'm not trying to delegitimize Anno's feelz. I'm saying that a critical viewing of Evangelion will require someone to spend a lot of time with their HAND in their ASS looking for things that aren't there <img src="/forum/data/assets/smilies/2128896423.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":butthead:" title="butthead :butthead:" data-shortname=":butthead:" /></p><p></p><p>You can't just say that a breakthrough has taken place and literally draw a breakthrough happening to make yourself feel more sure about it.</p><p><img src="/forum/data/assets/smilies/1758734684.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":greenbird:" title="greenbird :greenbird:" data-shortname=":greenbird:" /> (because... you just can't, ok?)</p><p></p><p>The clockwork elves give Shinji some of the worst advice he could possibly receive.</p><p>They tell him he has a self and that he can understand it by differentiating himself from others, but also that he'll lose his real self if he allows piloting the Eva to become his whole identity. If he becomes "Shinji the Pilot", then he'll stop being "Shinji". This is just wrong on its face. Rather, becoming something particular will allow Shinji to understand himself.</p><p></p><p>You literally couldn't stop being yourself if you tried, but Shinji seems convinced this is a real possibility. So instead of building an identity on something determinate, either changing or allowing him to witness himself from afar, he decides he can ONLY be himself as he is.</p><p>Shinji has no WILL, but instead of finding one, he hopes that one day he will learn to like himself in spite of it.</p><p></p><p>Shinji resigns himself to a life of insecurity because he thinks he can never BECOME too much of something other than what he is: fundamentally incomplete, incompetent, and detestable. He CHOOSES all of these things. What a horrible choice! But he does it because when he chooses to "be himself", everybody claps. Just like when he pilots the Eva, people praise him.</p><p></p><p>OMEDETOU <img src="/forum/data/assets/smilies/4111998498.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":clerp:" title="clerp :clerp:" data-shortname=":clerp:" /></p><p></p><p>There was no breakthrough. We finished where we started. Anno has DOOMED Shinji. Not even instrumentality can save him now.</p><p>I wouldn't be surprised if he joined a Protestant church, since he has accepted his total depravity, and craves unconditional love the most.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stiff, post: 16139, member: 297"] wow... DEEP if I say no will you explain what you mean by this and how it pertains to the show? :erm: [SPOILER="(You)"] [/SPOILER] You know, plenty of people just don't like Evangelion. They'll watch it and say certain scenes and frames look nice but they don't really "get it", and move on. This person you're conjuring who really likes it but then decides it's bad later because it doesn't have enough western literary tropes... this is like something a youtuber would do. It's reminiscent of the Harry Potter fan who revises their whole outlook on some beloved childhood media because it's circumstantially "problematic", and the work itself is now incomplete unless presented in tandem with this superficial analysis that has reached back in time and fused with it. This is someone who believes that the critical viewing changes the nature of the content, and is more legitimate than the casual one. I'm not saying Evangelion is secretly bad, and I'm not trying to delegitimize Anno's feelz. I'm saying that a critical viewing of Evangelion will require someone to spend a lot of time with their HAND in their ASS looking for things that aren't there :butthead: You can't just say that a breakthrough has taken place and literally draw a breakthrough happening to make yourself feel more sure about it. :greenbird: (because... you just can't, ok?) The clockwork elves give Shinji some of the worst advice he could possibly receive. They tell him he has a self and that he can understand it by differentiating himself from others, but also that he'll lose his real self if he allows piloting the Eva to become his whole identity. If he becomes "Shinji the Pilot", then he'll stop being "Shinji". This is just wrong on its face. Rather, becoming something particular will allow Shinji to understand himself. You literally couldn't stop being yourself if you tried, but Shinji seems convinced this is a real possibility. So instead of building an identity on something determinate, either changing or allowing him to witness himself from afar, he decides he can ONLY be himself as he is. Shinji has no WILL, but instead of finding one, he hopes that one day he will learn to like himself in spite of it. Shinji resigns himself to a life of insecurity because he thinks he can never BECOME too much of something other than what he is: fundamentally incomplete, incompetent, and detestable. He CHOOSES all of these things. What a horrible choice! But he does it because when he chooses to "be himself", everybody claps. Just like when he pilots the Eva, people praise him. OMEDETOU :clerp: There was no breakthrough. We finished where we started. Anno has DOOMED Shinji. Not even instrumentality can save him now. I wouldn't be surprised if he joined a Protestant church, since he has accepted his total depravity, and craves unconditional love the most. [/QUOTE]
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