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<blockquote data-quote="mochi" data-source="post: 18925" data-attributes="member: 22"><p>found the kalevala very underwhelming. it was almost entirely in the following formula:</p><p></p><p>Tärvälättajohoukinätäinenattara wanted to get the thing. Another person said "You can not have this thing unless you perform this absurdly impossible and completely nonsensical made up task!" and so tärvälättajohoukinätäinenattara sang a song to turn himself into a 6000 foot tall eagle with winds made out of the sea and did it.</p><p></p><p>repeat 100 times in a row. and sometimes it really is only a few sentences long, it's written in such a basic and immature way. i've heard that most stories and basically all fantastical stories were written like this before don quixote which makes me hesitant to read medieval literature</p><p></p><p>there's almost no real mythology in this, it's mostly a loose invented narrative to connect the events of a bunch of poems together. there's no information on the gods and godesses outside of their names and what they're the god of. i was really hoping to know more about them and i was interested in mielikki, vellamo and terhenetär the most but i didn't come out of the book knowing anything more than before i read it. suonetar would be a very interesting character to learn more about as i want to know what exactly being the "goddess of veins" entails, but that's ALL that you get from the book. her name is suonetar and she is the goddess of veins. someone's veins need to be reattached and she is mentioned in passing, someone's veins get ripped out and she is mentioned in passing. that's it.</p><p></p><p>i did like that the heroes in the story aren't good people and are shown to be arrogant, overly prideful, childishly tempered and prone to idiotic mistakes. i found the story of kullervo particularly unexpected in how it's set up to be a really typical and obvious "you killed my parents... and now i must kill you!" story but then he goes jocker mode on a herculean level and blames everybody but himself for a situation he was clearly capable of solving but had given himself a slave mindset, with a vaguely valid excuse that does not at all cover the lengths he went to. </p><p></p><p>however i'd also want to know how that story was perceived morally at the time, considering that finland was under russia's control at the time and how this book kickstarted finnish nationalism and probably indirectly caused the civil war, especially considering how vile both the white terror and red terror acted in the name of their own country</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mochi, post: 18925, member: 22"] found the kalevala very underwhelming. it was almost entirely in the following formula: Tärvälättajohoukinätäinenattara wanted to get the thing. Another person said "You can not have this thing unless you perform this absurdly impossible and completely nonsensical made up task!" and so tärvälättajohoukinätäinenattara sang a song to turn himself into a 6000 foot tall eagle with winds made out of the sea and did it. repeat 100 times in a row. and sometimes it really is only a few sentences long, it's written in such a basic and immature way. i've heard that most stories and basically all fantastical stories were written like this before don quixote which makes me hesitant to read medieval literature there's almost no real mythology in this, it's mostly a loose invented narrative to connect the events of a bunch of poems together. there's no information on the gods and godesses outside of their names and what they're the god of. i was really hoping to know more about them and i was interested in mielikki, vellamo and terhenetär the most but i didn't come out of the book knowing anything more than before i read it. suonetar would be a very interesting character to learn more about as i want to know what exactly being the "goddess of veins" entails, but that's ALL that you get from the book. her name is suonetar and she is the goddess of veins. someone's veins need to be reattached and she is mentioned in passing, someone's veins get ripped out and she is mentioned in passing. that's it. i did like that the heroes in the story aren't good people and are shown to be arrogant, overly prideful, childishly tempered and prone to idiotic mistakes. i found the story of kullervo particularly unexpected in how it's set up to be a really typical and obvious "you killed my parents... and now i must kill you!" story but then he goes jocker mode on a herculean level and blames everybody but himself for a situation he was clearly capable of solving but had given himself a slave mindset, with a vaguely valid excuse that does not at all cover the lengths he went to. however i'd also want to know how that story was perceived morally at the time, considering that finland was under russia's control at the time and how this book kickstarted finnish nationalism and probably indirectly caused the civil war, especially considering how vile both the white terror and red terror acted in the name of their own country [/QUOTE]
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