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<blockquote data-quote="SowiesoGroyp" data-source="post: 17508" data-attributes="member: 6">my argument was not that the anime industry is structurally &quot;constraining&quot; creators and preventing audiences from getting what they really want; i argued the opposite.i think you have indirectly pointed out a contradiction between my original argument and my justification for wanting a more dramatic or plot-driven Haruhi, where i appealed to the tastes of the masses and what has been generally &quot;acclaimed&quot; as evidence for Disappearance being good. i think what the average consumer of anime wants is wish-fulfillment, perpetual-blue-balling harem series. it is not Mind Game, or even The Tatami Galaxy. those works are &quot;acclaimed&quot; by a minority of consumers. at the same time, i think even the average consumer can recognize when a work of fiction achieves excellence.there is a difference between what consumers want and what the wants of the consumers incentivize. i am not telling people who enjoy things that distract them from being a salaryman that they must like &quot;deep&quot; anime. i am saying that this sort of person being the average consumer is what allows people like the creator of Haruhi to NEET it up, because there is a lack of pressure to do anything more than that. as i tried to address by saying &quot;i am not asking for K-On to become Code Geass,&quot; i believe there is a difference between SoL or light-hearted comedy like Lucky Star and series that are diminished by inconclusiveness and lack of direction, series that have potential to be something more -- which i believe includes Haruhi (inarguably) and Monogatari (arguably). i don't think it would be possible to make a Lucky Star or Azumanga analogue of Disappearance. everyone would just laugh.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SowiesoGroyp, post: 17508, member: 6"] my argument was not that the anime industry is structurally "constraining" creators and preventing audiences from getting what they really want; i argued the opposite. i think you have indirectly pointed out a contradiction between my original argument and my justification for wanting a more dramatic or plot-driven Haruhi, where i appealed to the tastes of the masses and what has been generally "acclaimed" as evidence for Disappearance being good. i think what the average consumer of anime wants is wish-fulfillment, perpetual-blue-balling harem series. it is not Mind Game, or even The Tatami Galaxy. those works are "acclaimed" by a minority of consumers. at the same time, i think even the average consumer can recognize when a work of fiction achieves excellence. there is a difference between what consumers want and what the wants of the consumers incentivize. i am not telling people who enjoy things that distract them from being a salaryman that they must like "deep" anime. i am saying that this sort of person being the average consumer is what allows people like the creator of Haruhi to NEET it up, because there is a lack of pressure to do anything more than that. as i tried to address by saying "i am not asking for K-On to become Code Geass," i believe there is a difference between SoL or light-hearted comedy like Lucky Star and series that are diminished by inconclusiveness and lack of direction, series that have potential to be something [I]more[/I] -- which i believe includes Haruhi (inarguably) and Monogatari (arguably). i don't think it would be possible to make a Lucky Star or Azumanga analogue of Disappearance. everyone would just laugh. [/QUOTE]

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