Opinions on poems?

[black balaclava]

balaclava reading a cringe tumblr post:

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[mochi]

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yeah man the divine comedy and the iliad are brainless popcorn slop i agree

 

[black balaclava]

yeah man the divine comedy and the iliad are brainless popcorn slop i agree

thanks

 

[muttonhead]

balaclava be like

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[resu]

As things are now, it's over. That's not to say, however, that there couldn't be a revival, but it'd be an unenviable task. Although I think that poetry has a grander purpose, it's too much to ask of any artist to devote himself to a craft from which he could expect nothing. Why give a decade's labor to a poem that'd give, in turn, neither riches, nor laurels; neither the acclaim of the many, nor the admiration of the eminent few; and neither honors when living, nor monuments when dead?

We have no Ariostos for the same reason we have no Raphaels. Great poetry requires a great culture, in its own way, to foster it. It's no coincidence that the greatest Greek playwrights, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, and Aristophanes, were all living in the age of Pericles, nor is it suprising that Rome's greatest poets, Virgil, Horace, Ovid, among others, were all living in the age of Augustus. Could a lone poet composing in a debased language ever hope to write something as great as these poets did?

 

[muttonhead]

 

[NARINGENIN]

poems are the tiktoks of literature

short form fag trash that only women read when its erotica.

if you like poetry you should kill yourself

the best poem i saw today was this one
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What the fuck is this crap. Kill yourself.

 

[NARINGENIN]

I like writing English language haiku. The form is entirely misunderstood because of the way it's introduced to most people: an easy and fun way of teaching the concept of syllables to grade students. But in reality the 5-7-5 rule isn't even necessarily about syllables, and it only works in Japanese:

Most dialects of Japanese, including the standard, use morae, known in Japanese as haku (拍) or mōra (モーラ), rather than syllables, as the basis of the sound system. Writing Japanese in kana (hiragana and katakana) demonstrates a moraic system of writing. For example, in the two-syllable word mōra, the ō is a long vowel and counts as two morae. The word is written in three symbols, モーラ, corresponding here to mo-o-ra, each containing one mora. Therefore, the 5/7/5 pattern of the haiku in modern Japanese is of morae rather than syllables.

In English a metric foot is even less related to syllable count, and is measured as an iamb, which consists of one unstressed syllable followed by a stressed syllable, as in the word 'believe':

The truth is that English language poets have never counted syllables, rather they they have counted the feet which measure the metric value of stressed and unstressed syllables. This is something different than just counting syllables.

English is a stressed timed language, which means that syllables aren’t uniform in the length of time and some are longer than others, this is different from syllable timed languages where every syllable has the same amount of time with no variation between them. This is why we in English count feet rather than syllables.

And even then, rhythm isn't even the defining aspect of the haiku form, and the 5-7-5 rules were often broken even by Matsuo Basho. The more important aspects include the juxtaposition of opposing images and forms, the utilization of "cutting" between lines, minimalism (make each word count, remove as much excess as possible), the resolution or exponentiation of tension, the use of seasonal references, a basic three line structure, and so on. EVEN then, these rules were broken by both modernist Japanese poets AND again Basho himself. English haiku is an entirely modernist form. Adherence to rules only matters in so much as it exemplifies the important aspects of the form, and not for the sake of "tradition".

Anyway, there's much to be said about this. You will find attached in this post some very good haiku written and/or collected by some good friends of mine. You will also find attached a collection of haiku by Jack Kerouac.

Here is a link to some of my own haiku that I've published:

Spring to Summer

Seeking my missing rib above sea-level On the grass sky touches my lashes Lizard's tail on tiles between my teeth Sweltering bird song the dust of nails being filed.

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Here is yet another compilation by my friends:

THE SHARK-FISHING TOURNAMENT

— A Fisherman and His Fishermen.

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If you want to understand this more in depth, then read the following article and listen to the 3 hour audio lecture on archive.org:

Haiku Poetics: Objective, Subjective, Transactional & Literary Theories

by Dr Randy Brooks Haiku as a Rhetorical Act In the Western tradition, beginning with Aristotle and the Sophists, theories of writing have been constructed by observing the integrated elements of e…

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INTRODUCTION TO 20TH CENTURY HAIKU : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

INTRODUCTION TO 20TH CENTURY HAIKU

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[black balaclava]

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What the fuck is this crap. Kill yourself.

please

 

[resu]

In English a metric foot is even less related to syllable count, and is measured as an iamb, which consists of one unstressed syllable followed by a stressed syllable

How is a metric foot even less related to syllable count? An iambic foot requires exactly two syllables just as it does a secondary accent, and it's equally dependent on syllabes as it is on accent. Besides, there are other metrical feet in addition to the iamb, and even iambic verse itself isn't restricted to just iambs.