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as long as Christ is actually real then im chillin. the reason i care about sedes and vatican 2 at all is cause they caused a crisis of faith and threatened to knock over the entire house of carefully placed cards in my head.

i just got done crashing out over the multiple death of judas narratives and the color of Jesus’s robe differing between gospels…
 

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I had a fidicia supplicans crashout. It really does take time and experience to get into the position i'm in now.

The trad vatican 2 rabbit hole is a veryyyyy long meat grinder

basically:
Zoomers call francis based ironically but its really not ironic
Trads loop content about how vatican 2 is bad but still true because (most retarded thing ever)
Sedes have several different elaborate conspiracy theories
SSPX are very reasonable but they have a very ambiguously valid eucharist

TLM supremacist but still believing in the church is right about where you want to be
 

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its hard for me to believe that after I die Christ is gonna be liek “yeah the sedes were actually correct francis was a heretical nigger, but also vatican 2 was not entirely bad cause a lot of that stuff technically wasnt infallible and uh all the orthodox monks who devoted their lives to me are in hell now cause they had the wrong position on the filioque, the holy spirit does proceed from me as well as my father.”
 

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You are judged according to your knowledge of course. I do believe that the orthodox have a valid eucharist and confession because their apostolic succession is from the true catholic church. Mostly (not all) but most(ok maybe not most) Alot of Catholics will be saved regardless.

I'm not capping tho I don't think fidicia supplicans catholics are gonna make it
 

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how can we be expected to know anything JUST.

i cant even remember where my keys are and im supposed to have the correct theological opinions on everything or fall into grave errors and merit hell for eternity wat the fuck nigga….

also God and heaven are so infinitely incomprehensible its laughable that we would even have a fucking clue about any of this stuff. aquinas levitated off the ground and then threw his fountain pen in the trash along with all his thumb drives containing over 40 GB of unpublished theology cause he said ALL I HAVE EVER WRITTEN IS CHAFF IN THE WIND.
 

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ok bro you can use this argument to justify anything

there is objective truth. if it is not the objective truth it is the objective untruth

you cannot be saved by the objective untruth

also just read the bible and basic church stuff. the lines are explicity obvious
 

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You are judged according to your knowledge of course.
yea this is wat ive been arguing for the whole time. so lutherans are not going to hell and people who arent water baptized and people who dont go to confession etc…

“outside the catholic church theres no salvation” obviously this isnt true for people who follow Christ but reject the catholic church DERP.


DERP.
 

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there is no salvation outside of the church
entry into the church is from baptism

if you are baptized you may or may not be saved
lutherans are probably going to hell
orthodox are probably not going to hell

the line is somewhere in the middle of those 2 groups


If you are a catholic or orthodox, and you do not go to confession you WILL go to hell, like no matter what
 

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in other words just read the Bible and fuck all these theology nerds. Paul and Peter and John are the only theologians we need *mic drop* :smug:
 

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you are obviously very uneducated so i think that would be a great start for you
 
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