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[vagabond]

japanese people call masturbation onani even though they don't read the Bible so they don't know it's a Genesis reference. (no one says senzuri)

whadda u think is worse jerking it or having sex?

 

[SowiesoGroyp]

whadda u think is worse jerking it or having sex?

sex damages 2 people whereas jerking it damages 1 so i'd say probably sex

 

[resu]

wait so is "simple fornication" jerking off?

No, by simple fornication he means copulative sex that isn't within marriage.

also when he wrote this marriage age was like 20 or w.e., and dosent he approve of brothels somewhere else?

Yeah, but I wouldn't say approve. He thinks them tolerable as a necessary evil for society, basically. It goes hand in hand with his thinking that simple fornication is the least evil of sexual sins.

 

[vagabond]

sex damages 2 people whereas jerking it damages 1 so i'd say probably sex

yes my friends made this argument as well, but I ironically replied that "women are not people so..." but I could see it if the woman was a virgin. but if ur just banging some hoe, she would be banging some other guy so is she being "damaged", and it is kinda like the morality "utilitarianism" or w.e., i think I would get more damaged and have worse suffering and sin coming from jerking and porn vs having sex, she may have "damage" and suffering and sin, but mine alone would be worse? u get what im saying

 

[SowiesoGroyp]

sex damages 2 people whereas jerking it damages 1 so i'd say probably sex

but idk if sex is more injurious to your soul than jerking it is.
the fact that people experience adverse emotional outcomes as a result of meaningless sex (failed pair bonding etc) which doesn't happen with jerking off is kind of a clue that it might be worse, but i'm not sure how to quantify or distinguish this in terms of moral reality.

 

[vagabond]

No, by simple fornication he means copulative sex that isn't within marriage.

Yeah, but I wouldn't say approve. He thinks them tolerable as a necessary evil for society, basically. It goes hand in hand with his thinking that simple fornication is the least evil of sexual sins.

wait so was simple fornication a mortal sin? aka u go to hell (without repentence)? so brothels sending people to hell is okay? im not getting it

 

[SowiesoGroyp]

yes my friends made this argument as well, but I ironically replied that "women are not people so..." but I could see it if the woman was a virgin. but if ur just banging some hoe, she would be banging some other guy so is she being "damaged", and it is kinda like the morality "utilitarianism" or w.e., i think I would get more damaged and have worse suffering and sin coming from jerking and porn vs having sex, she may have "damage" and suffering and sin, but mine alone would be worse? u get what im saying

i would personally feel more guilty having sex than jerking off, but that might be because i've jerked off many times before so it seems like less of a big deal.

 

[vagabond]

but idk if sex is more injurious to your soul than jerking it is.
the fact that people experience adverse emotional outcomes as a result of meaningless sex (failed pair bonding etc) which doesn't happen with jerking off is kind of a clue that it might be worse, but i'm not sure how to quantify or distinguish this in terms of moral reality.

yes but isnt that just women who get failure to pair bond (and faggots)? im sure you have met many men who slept around a lot but then are solid husbands and fathers. (my father is this man lol). different biology for men vs women on that 1 I think

 

[SowiesoGroyp]

yes but isnt that just women who get failure to pair bond (and faggots)? im sure you have met many men who slept around a lot but then are solid husbands and fathers. (my father is this man lol). different biology for men vs women on that 1 I think

observing muttonhead for a while i'm pretty sure it happens to men too

 

[resu]

wait so was simple fornication a mortal sin? aka u go to hell (without repentence)? so brothels sending people to hell is okay? im not getting it

Yes. He tolerates brothels, which do send people to hell, because he thinks that without them people would fall into even greater sexual sins (think Muslim sodomites).