but everything he recorded is the pinnacle of what i mean by old sounding quality. it's all very lightly distorted and extremely flat sounding, it sounds like it's missing a bunch of frequencies or something. in his case it sounds like that so heavily that it works like a wall between me and the music and i get no feeling from it. joe meek is similar, but telstar and johnny remember me are a lot less dense sounding, the instruments have a little more definition in them. but it still sounds like ass despite the actual cool sounds being created