Why is anime better than western media?

[mochi]

spongebob is the worst tv show ever aired

 

[Stiff]

spongebob is the worst tv show ever aired

u need media literacy

 

[muttonhead]

spongebob = good goy
squidward = awakened goy
mr. krabs = jew
patrick = nigger
sandy = lesbian femenist
mermaid man/barnacle boy = repubtard boomers

the only good guy is actually plankton (hitler)

 

[kino]

I think having to compare the entire corpus of Western film, an artform with contributors across multiple continents and across a century, with anime, which has been around as a serious form for ~50 years and is local to one country, in order to put it down proves anime's superiority, rather than any inferiority. Obviously OP made the comparison initially, but the fact it wasn't laughed off; quite impressive.

nishio ishin would still be rich if he ended monogatari and started a new series. does the audience not want this?

I think you're overly hung up on the idea that a story must be composed of a full plot. The purpose of Nisioisin in writing Monogatari wasn't to have a fulfilling overarching plot (the series is essentially monster-of-the-book), it's to examine the various moral systems of eccentric characters in their wholes. The reason why he keeps extending it is because he wants to keep exploring these characters and their ideas. Owari is basically an ending to the essential story of Monogatari (Araragi learning to love himself (yes it's hackneyed, it's kino anyways)), and the rest is just Nisioisin wondering how these characters would grow up. Haruhi is similarly monster-of-the-week oriented, it's stuck in an eternal present without conclusion.

Maybe you can say "I don't like this", but this isn't some kind of evil thing that the audience despises, it's the natural orientation of the form. It's notable that Nisioisin has made stories with overarching plots which were popular (Medaka Box, Zaregoto), so Monogatari's extension is not because he's being constrained.

who would complain if the entire series was more like The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya?

It's notable that Disappearance is made by Yasuhiro Takemoto (RIP), who you probably know from making Lucky Star, Hyouka and Kobayashi's Dragon Maid. Again, he's made the conscious decision to create mostly light-hearted works. These people aren't being constrained by any industry. They're choosing to make less serious works, and they're succeeding. Lucky Star is more popular in Japan now than Haruhi. Both the Japanese public and the authors of these works want to make less serious works. What I'm trying to say is that your desire for "confidence" (hello, Hachiman-san) in media is shared neither by the artists of Japan nor by their audience. Why should it be taken seriously?

 

[SowiesoGroyp]

I think having to compare the entire corpus of Western film, an artform with contributors across multiple continents and across a century, with anime, which has been around as a serious form for ~50 years and is local to one country, in order to put it down proves anime's superiority, rather than any inferiority. Obviously OP made the comparison initially, but the fact it wasn't laughed off; quite impressive.


I think you're overly hung up on the idea that a story must be composed of a full plot. The purpose of Nisioisin in writing Monogatari wasn't to have a fulfilling overarching plot (the series is essentially monster-of-the-book), it's to examine the various moral systems of eccentric characters in their wholes. The reason why he keeps extending it is because he wants to keep exploring these characters and their ideas. Owari is basically an ending to the essential story of Monogatari (Araragi learning to love himself (yes it's hackneyed, it's kino anyways)), and the rest is just Nisioisin wondering how these characters would grow up. Haruhi is similarly monster-of-the-week oriented, it's stuck in an eternal present without conclusion.

Maybe you can say "I don't like this", but this isn't some kind of evil thing that the audience despises, it's the natural orientation of the form. It's notable that Nisioisin has made stories with overarching plots which were popular (Medaka Box, Zaregoto), so Monogatari's extension is not because he's being constrained.


It's notable that Disappearance is made by Yasuhiro Takemoto (RIP), who you probably know from making Lucky Star, Hyouka and Kobayashi's Dragon Maid. Again, he's made the conscious decision to create mostly light-hearted works. These people aren't being constrained by any industry. They're choosing to make less serious works, and they're succeeding. Lucky Star is more popular in Japan now than Haruhi. Both the Japanese public and the authors of these works want to make less serious works. What I'm trying to say is that your desire for "confidence" (hello, Hachiman-san) in media is shared neither by the artists of Japan nor by their audience. Why should it be taken seriously?

my argument was not that the anime industry is structurally "constraining" creators and preventing audiences from getting what they really want; i argued the opposite.

my first instinct was to blame shortcomings on racial or cultural attributes rather than economic constraints

the constraints placed upon Film (and also visual novels, to a lesser extent) seem to drive out some of these tendencies which have bothered me and severely diminished my enjoyment of this medium in spite of its freedom.

i think you have indirectly pointed out a contradiction between my original argument and my justification for wanting a more dramatic or plot-driven Haruhi, where i appealed to the tastes of the masses and what has been generally "acclaimed" as evidence for Disappearance being good. i think what the average consumer of anime wants is wish-fulfillment, perpetual-blue-balling harem series. it is not Mind Game, or even The Tatami Galaxy. those works are "acclaimed" by a minority of consumers. at the same time, i think even the average consumer can recognize when a work of fiction achieves excellence.

there is a difference between what consumers want and what the wants of the consumers incentivize. i am not telling people who enjoy things that distract them from being a salaryman that they must like "deep" anime. i am saying that this sort of person being the average consumer is what allows people like the creator of Haruhi to NEET it up, because there is a lack of pressure to do anything more than that. as i tried to address by saying "i am not asking for K-On to become Code Geass," i believe there is a difference between SoL or light-hearted comedy like Lucky Star and series that are diminished by inconclusiveness and lack of direction, series that have potential to be something more -- which i believe includes Haruhi (inarguably) and Monogatari (arguably). i don't think it would be possible to make a Lucky Star or Azumanga analogue of Disappearance. everyone would just laugh.

 

[muttonhead]

^ lmao look at these fagots effortposting. NERDS!

just kiss already

 

[AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH]

I think having to compare the entire corpus of Western film, an artform with contributors across multiple continents and across a century, with anime, which has been around as a serious form for ~50 years and is local to one country, in order to put it down proves anime's superiority, rather than any inferiority. Obviously OP made the comparison initially, but the fact it wasn't laughed off; quite impressive.

I was not trying to "put down anime" you nigger. I created the thread because I prefer anime and am interested in prompting discussion on why it is superior to western media.

 

[muttonhead]

“western media” kill urself fgt. this is AMERICA. “western” is jewspeak

 

[kino]

I was not trying to "put down anime" you nigger. I created the thread because I prefer anime and am interested in prompting discussion on why it is superior to western media.

Wasn't referring to you, moreso Patch's statements that anime was weaker than the entirety of Western film.

“western media” kill urself fgt. this is AMERICA. “western” is jewspeak

When I say "Western media", I'm referring to not only American art but also European art. Don't be an anklebiting faggot next time.

 

[muttonhead]

calling it “western” instead of European is even more gay. you fucking stupid gay faggot.